interdictor ([info]interdictor) wrote,
@ 2007-12-31 08:48:00
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This is absolutely fucking absurd and infuriating:


In legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Ariz., man who kept a collection of about 2,000 music recordings on his personal computer, the industry maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer. The industry's lawyer in the case, Ira Schwartz, argues in a brief filed earlier this month that the MP3 files Howell made on his computer from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized copies" of copyrighted recordings.

"I couldn't believe it when I read that," says Ray Beckerman, a New York lawyer who represents six clients who have been sued by the RIAA. "The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation."

Intellectual Property is a colossally hideous notion in the first place, not unlike Marxism or Creationism (not only do they not "work" in practice, but the theories themselves are fundamentally unsound -- obviously so; the Labor Theory of Value, for instance, is pure bullshit, yet it's a cornerstone of Marx's economic analysis). The economic arguments in favor of Intellectual Property are all unsound. What Intellectual Property amounts to is a violation of property rights for everyone not receiving its privileged protection. The idea that some people ought to be able to tell other people what patterns of light, sound, motion, or language they (the other people) may engage in with their own bodies or their own property is absolutely idiotic and tyrannical.

And the idea that you think you still own something you sold to me -- a compact disc, for instance -- and can then tell me what I can do with it (I can't store the data on it to my computer) is the height of arrogant entitlement.

Property Rights are a bundle of rights:

  • Use Right - If you own something, you have the right to use it anyway you see fit, provided your use of it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others.
  • Exclude Right - If you own something, you have the right to exclude others from using it.
  • Abandon Right - If you own something, you have the right to cease being its owner.

When the RIAA sells you a compact disc and then tells you what you can do with it, they are violating your property rights (see above). When some asshole patents a method of swinging back and forth, he is violating your property rights. 

There was art before there was Intellectual Property: literature, paintings, drawings, sculptures, music, what have you. There was technology before there was Intellectual Property: mathematics, exploration, invention, biology, chemistry, physics, zoology, botany, military, medicine, etc.

Intellectual Property is just another form of protectionism similar to tariffs, quotas, subsidies, barriers to entry, and other special privileges. It's bullshit and it needs to end. The RIAA doesn't own me, it doesn't own my computer, it doesn't own my compact discs, my tape decks, my radio, my vocal cords, or my middle finger -- which is currently shooting the bird at those fucking douche-bags.  Don't let those assholes use the coercive force of government to strip you of your property rights.




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[info]themeshuggener
2007-12-31 05:34 pm UTC (link)
I'm really glad you posted this one since the music issue is a big deal to me.

What the RIAA is proposing is ludicrous. Fuck them indeed. This is yet another one of the last gasps from the dying major labels of the recording industry. They're done.

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[info]a_motley_fool
2007-12-31 05:49 pm UTC (link)
Why encourage this model then? Why buy their music. The RIAA is not the end all and be all of music in the US. There are lots of recordings out there that have not been touched by the RIAA. Give your money to them.

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[info]lblanchard
2007-12-31 05:51 pm UTC (link)
Vent your displeasure to Apple and the various MP3 makers. If enough folks tell Steve Jobs they won't be buying an iPod, someone's tune is likely to change right quick.

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[info]crystalstar
2007-12-31 06:06 pm UTC (link)
So basically if I buy an MP3 player and use the software that comes with it to rip a CD and put songs on it, I am breaking the law? This is getting beyond ridiculous. What next, people who purchase CD's used?

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[info]cluebyfour
2007-12-31 06:12 pm UTC (link)
What next, people who purchase CD's used?

That's already happened, even before file sharing became popular. I recall some artists in the '90s who wanted their record companies to not distribute their albums to stores that sold used CDs because they weren't earning any royalties off their sales.

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[info]zarex
2007-12-31 06:27 pm UTC (link)
I think this was debunked; the owner had apparently put them in a shared directory, allowing others to access them. Still BS but not quite as bad.

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[info]skycriesx
2007-12-31 06:59 pm UTC (link)
This is correct. The lawsuit is over his illegal file sharing and not the copying per say. The initial report is what the original post in this lj entry is about which was in fact debunked.

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[info]gwillen
2007-12-31 07:43 pm UTC (link)
Well, wait just a second. Nothing was "debunked" -- the RIAA did in fact state in a legal brief the claim that such copies were "unauthorized". It merely wasn't the basis for the lawsuit.

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[info]fireba11
2007-12-31 06:28 pm UTC (link)
The RIAA is making the IRS look like warm cuddly puppies.

Dig a little deeper, note Sony legal chief Jenny Pariser's comments that "When an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song."

Yeah. Fuck her and the entire RIAA in the heart, with an anthrax-tipped cactus dildo.

That said, it really is fun watching the industry in its dying throes. The democratization of technology passed these old buzzards right on by - and they've chosen the what is easily the dumbest, most asinine path to oblivion: Suing their customers.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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[info]phanatic
2007-12-31 08:11 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. We're witnessing an industry in its death throes. They have more money than the horse-buggy makers, so they're able to cause more trouble before they go, but we only have a few more years of this nonsense at the current rate.

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[info]spamchang
2007-12-31 07:02 pm UTC (link)
as the RIAA argues it, they should be able to control how you play your music, i.e. what platform you use or what mp3 player you use to play it on. i guess that excludes personal computers...screw 'em.

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[info]temp_revenge
2007-12-31 07:12 pm UTC (link)
We need Mr. Rogers again.


Mister Rogers and the VCR

During the controversy surrounding the introduction of the household VCR, Rogers was involved in supporting the manufacturers of VCRs in court. His 1979 testimony in the case Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc. noted that he did not object to home recording of his television programs, for instance, by families in order to watch together at a later time. This testimony contrasted with the views of others in the television industry who objected to home recording or believed that devices to facilitate it should be taxed or regulated.

The Supreme Court considered the testimony of Rogers in its decision that held that the Betamax video recorder did not infringe copyright. The Court stated that his views were a notable piece of evidence "that many [television] producers are willing to allow private time-shifting to continue;" and even quoted his testimony in a footnote:

Some public stations, as well as commercial stations, program the "Neighborhood" at hours when some children cannot use it ... I have always felt that with the advent of all of this new technology that allows people to tape the "Neighborhood" off-the-air, and I'm speaking for the "Neighborhood" because that's what I produce, that they then become much more active in the programming of their family's television life. Very frankly, I am opposed to people being programmed by others. My whole approach in broadcasting has always been "You are an important person just the way you are. You can make healthy decisions." Maybe I'm going on too long, but I just feel that anything that allows a person to be more active in the control of his or her life, in a healthy way, is important.[9]

The Home Recording Rights Coalition later stated that Rogers was "one of the most prominent witnesses on this issue."

Rogers had been a supporter of VCR use since the very early days of the VCR. In his final week of episodes of the original run in 1976, Rogers used a U-Matic VCR to show scenes from past episodes, as a way to prepare viewers for repeats that would begin the following week.

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[info]themeshuggener
2007-12-31 08:08 pm UTC (link)
His testimony is an outstandingly simple conviction of the freedom that we all have, know and deserve.

More people need to start saying things like that guy again.

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as I commented on another post about this...
[info]ladymorgaine
2007-12-31 08:32 pm UTC (link)
Next thing you know, they'll tell us to listen to all our legally purchased music with headphones, outlawing stereo speakers, otherwise someone else might hear music they haven't legally purchased. 'Cuz that's stealing, yo.

I'm about ready to boycott the lot of them.

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Re: as I commented on another post about this...
[info]emiofbrie
2007-12-31 11:50 pm UTC (link)
see Great Britain and the IFPI...they are already arguing this...

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Copyright
[info]leenoox
2007-12-31 10:23 pm UTC (link)
It is, intentionally, a way to *make it practical to monetize* creativity.

That was what it was *invented* for; go look in the constitution, where it's defined. Article 3, section 2? No, it's section 8.

The *problem* is that Congress, a wholly-owned-and-operated subsidiary of Hollywood, has been permitted to extend copyright beyond all reason.

Several fixes for this have been put forth, and the one I like the best was this: Allow copyright to inhere for a period of 5 years, renewable on payment of a $10 fee per copyrighted item. Allow indefinite renewals; it will eventually become impractical for holders to renew anyway. Anyone to whom it is really important will get it accomplished...

... in much the same way that I'm pretty sure TV station WBZ in Boston has someone whose job description it is to *make sure they never screw up a renewal and lose their 3-letter callsign*.

This approach will *require* that copyright be minded purposefully by its holders, which should solve most of the problems we see. It will also make the RIAA's job of being idiots substantially harder, I think...

Merry and a Happy, Mike, and welcome back.

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[info]colintj
2007-12-31 10:50 pm UTC (link)
Every so often you post something that isn't complete bullshit. Good job.

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[info]bella_demarco
2008-01-01 01:40 pm UTC (link)
i was bored, so i read the fine print in the guitar hero III manual (for xbox 360)

it says, and i quote;

This Product is licensed, not sold. Your licence confers no title or ownership in this Product and should not be construed as a sale of any rights in this Product.

not sure how that translates to recordings, but the property rights you mentioned are moot if there is no ownership.

i, like so many others, am so sick of being treated like a criminal when i pay good money (sometimes too good) for things.

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[info]jlindquist
2008-01-01 06:47 pm UTC (link)
The fine print on recordings of music and speech are just the same. You haven't been sold the publishing or performance rights, just a license to play it for personal use. You want to stick the CD in a jukebox in a business open to the public, you have to talk to ASCAP or BMI about paying annual license fees.

The word is, Howell is actually being sued for file-sharing those copies. (Otherwise, how would the plaintiffs know he'd ripped anything?) That aside, medium-shifting of recordings indeed is not included in the statutory definition of fair use. Straight Dope did some digging, there's other analyses out there, but that's a decent start. The 1992 Audio Home Recording Act staked out some limited protection involving digital recording media, but you could probably argue that the royalties levied on CD-R media and drives haven't been paid on magnetic hard disks, so that's not a compliant medium.

One can easily make the argument that the RIAA is making a convenient, bullshit-laden argument to try to win this individual case. If they really thought that medium-shifting was wrong, illegal, and harmful to them, they would have spent the last 12 years pursuing the authors and vendors of software used to rip CDs. That's at least a couple of hundred cases, quite a few involving deep-pocketed corporations. Case in point, why didn't they noisily demand that Apple remove that ability from iTunes as a condition of licensing their catalogs for sale through the iTunes Music Store?

Popping items off the stack:

There was art before there was Intellectual Property: literature, paintings, drawings, sculptures, music, what have you. There was technology before there was Intellectual Property: mathematics, exploration, invention, biology, chemistry, physics, zoology, botany, military, medicine, etc.

Yes, yes there was. And it was a gold-plated bitch to make a living doing any of those things. If I don't have IP laws protecting my work, I can't work as a software engineer. My work could be copied freely, nobody would have to compensate my employers, and they wouldn't be able to pay me. So instead of 40 hours a week of focused, professional development, what I write would come from 5-10 hours of work on the side after I'd finished a day working a "real" job. (So forget any substantial customer support.)

Are current IP laws broken? Certainly. That music labels and film and TV studios get away with their shenanigans is a clear indicator. Absolutely, the patent office is out of control. That's why I'm an EFF member. But to suggest that protecting IP in the first place is a mistake is patently ridiculous. You may as well roll back the last century's worth of progress, at least.

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[info]loweeel
2008-01-02 04:30 am UTC (link)
And what's the justification against trademark?

Wow, you can point to some junk patents that shouldn't have been issued. In a system that gets over 350,000 applications per year (on top of the 2.75 year backlog they currently have), what sort of error rate would you find acceptable? The error rate for patents is pretty fucking admirable, especially compared to the rest of the government.

And remember -- patents are voluntary (and moreover, the applications are published in 6 months in most instances); the alternative is *not* a technological commons, but a return to trade secret, which is perpetual and carries criminal penalties as well. Last time I checked, that whole trade guild concept didn't do a whole lot.

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[info]phanatic
2008-01-02 07:28 pm UTC (link)
And what's the justification against trademark?

I used to think trademark wasn't a problem, until trademark dilution got expanded to include tarnishment and the law was changed to overturn Mosely. Trademark should protect your mark, in the context of your trade. That's it.

what sort of error rate would you find acceptable?

I'm not concerned about the error rate. I'm concerned about submarine patents and companies whose entire existence is devoted to wide-ranging shoddy patents and an attempt to extort licensing fees with them. That doesn't stimulate the progress of science and the useful arts, but it does make lawyers a lot of money. But making lawyers a lot of money isn't what that clause in the Constitution is for.

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[info]loweeel
2008-01-02 08:21 pm UTC (link)
Most of the problem with submarine patents has already been addressed by switching from "issuance + 17" to "application + 20". The applicant's ability to play prosecution games to spring a patent upon an unsuspecting world has been severely curtailed. Thus, the only true "submarine" patents are those filed before 1995. Mandatory publication of most applications (also in the 1995 act), as well as the rise of the prosecution laches defense (which worked particularly well against Lemelson) have also curtailed the ambush effect and enforceability of these patents, respectively.

As for Mosely, you find it much more significant than I do. Basically, SCOTUS said that because the previous dilution act didn't say "likelihood", they required actual dilution. The recent dilution act merely clarified Congressional intent, and brought the dilution inquiry back in line with that of infringement from its post-Mosely status as an outlier.

Every other question of trademark law (registration, infringement) looks at likelihoods, not actualities. Requiring actual dilution would require that there already be harm in the marketplace in order to bring a dilution suit. Proving actual dilution is quite difficult and time-consuming -- even more than those for the likelihood (we discussed the difference between the actuality surveys and the likelihood surveys in our practitioner-taught class). So between doing the necessary market research for actual dilution, and the litigation delays (even before the inevitable appeals), a company's mark can be diluted to generic before the litigation can be concluded. And since the FTDA only provides dilution protection to "Famous" marks (far from all marks -- e.g., Apple Computer, Kodak, Polaroid), its effect is a lot smaller than is commonly believed.

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[info]phanatic
2008-01-02 11:29 pm UTC (link)
My biggest problem with patents is software patents. Software's already protected by copyright, and it doesn't deserve dual protection.

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[info]loweeel
2008-01-02 11:43 pm UTC (link)
I agree. But copyright (unlike patent), is a narrow (if thick) protection, which only protects the particular expression in a given piece of code. Take the same idea, but rewrite the code in a different expression, and you're home free. The copyright issue is particularly problematic for software due to the ease of reverse engineering (though this raises the issue of the enforceability of shrinkwrap licenses and EULAs preventing reverse engineering, which are essentially a sui generis form of IP protection). Trade secret is, obviously, a non-starter for the same ease of reverse engineering reasons.

I don't think that patents are a particularly good fit for software, but copyright isn't enough. I think the answer would be some sort of sui generis protection like boat hulls and semiconductor masks, or even something akin to design patents (as opposed to utility patents) where the test is something like "points of novelty" in code. But then again, Congress would have to do something (as opposed to just letting PTO and LOC deal with patent and (c)) and try to create a coherent alternative that's not as onerous and broad as patent, nor as simple and narrow as copyright. There's no real (nor serious) movement for a coherent, economically worthwhile alternative, and more's the pity.

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