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Writer says New Orleans is dying
Editor: Pay heed to New Orleans' plight By BRIAN SCHWANER, Associated Press writer
Sun Aug 26, 12:30 PM ET

NEW ORLEANS - New Orleans is my hometown. And it's dying. Despite billions of dollars in aid, recovery programs with catchy names and an outpouring of volunteer effort, New Orleans is not recovering from Hurricane Katrina. Beyond the happy mayhem of the French Quarter, entire neighborhoods are in ruins and the business district sags from the shattered economy. Thousands of people are homeless and squatting in vacant and storm-damaged properties, some just a few blocks from City Hall.

More than 160,000 residents never returned. For those who did dare to come back home, little resembles normalcy.

For the people with the power to save it, New Orleans is a forgotten place.

It's a national disgrace. People should pay attention. The next time, it could be your town.

A VIEW OF THE CRISIS

Katrina struck Aug. 29, 2005, flooding 80 percent of New Orleans and laying waste to the Mississippi coast. The feared worst-case storm lived up to every promise of horror.

Local, state and federal disaster officials bungled the rescue effort from the start, but in the city's darkest hour a presidential promise offered hope.

Barely two weeks after Katrina, President Bush stood in deserted Jackson Square before the majestic, eerily lit St. Louis Cathedral and pledged the nation to a massive reconstruction effort.

"When communities are rebuilt, they must be even better and stronger than before the storm," Bush said. Earlier, Bush told relief volunteers that government would be the solution, not the problem. "Bureaucracy is not going to stand in the way of getting the job done for the people," he said.

Nearly two years later, New Orleans is neither better nor stronger, and a bureaucratic stranglehold is choking off its recovery.

From a tinted window 25 stories above the New Orleans business district, I can see the city rotting from the inside out.

Across the street, Dominion Tower, once bustling with office workers and sprinkled with upscale retailers, is abandoned.

The adjacent Hyatt Hotel, where Super Bowl, Sugar Bowl and NCAA Final Four fans relaxed, also is empty.

Rows of camouflaged Humvees wait in a nearby parking lot for the military police who patrol lawless neighborhoods.

Just out of sight are wastelands where people live in cramped trailers or try to rebuild as best they can.

The only attention the city gets these days is as a campaign prop for some of the presidential contenders.

Among citizens, there is anger. There should be. For those who see New Orleans as someone else's agony, a caution: This kind of governmental and political nonchalance could greet you at your most dire moment.

The main program to help homeowners rebuild from Katrina — the $8 billion federally funded, state-administered and inaptly named Road Home — is going broke and may be short as much as $4 billion. Public schools, firehouses, police stations and transit routes are closed. Hospitals have not returned to normal capacity, and those that are open say they are losing millions of dollars providing medical care for the poor. There is little political will to build a levee system that would prevent the kind of flooding Katrina caused.

Federal, state and city officials can't even agree on priorities, or get aid dollars to where they are needed now. Mayor Ray Nagin, Gov. Kathleen Blanco and White House recovery director Don Powell play a blame game for the failed recovery. There are even whispers among the leaders of the effort that the city's problems are overblown.

They are dead wrong.

OK, NEW ORLEANS HAS BAGGAGE

If Katrina was the perfect storm, New Orleans was the perfect victim. Political corruption and incompetence in city government and an anemic economy made the city as vulnerable to turmoil as the levees that failed.

Sadly, the situation has worsened, and many of the leaders New Orleans must count on are fading from the scene or mired in scandal.

Take, for example, the representatives closest to the seats of power. U.S. Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., has been charged in an alleged international bribery scheme. He has denied wrongdoing. U.S. Sen. David Vitter, R-La., has been caught up in a Washington sex scandal. Blanco has thrown in the towel and isn't running for re-election following the failure of state-led recovery programs and largely ineffective pleas to Congress for more aid.

Even the city's emerging leadership was dealt a shock when City Councilman Oliver Thomas, seen as one of the "good guys" of the recovery effort and maybe a future mayor, pleaded guilty this month to federal bribery charges,

Meanwhile, the police chief and district attorney are feuding while the city grapples with a murder rate that is the worst per capita in the nation.

Even the mayor may be checking out. Nagin is raising money to campaign for a new political office — perhaps governor or congressman, he won't say which. With three years left on his term, the city needs his undivided attention.

President Bush, the city's self-declared savior, has been here 10 times since Katrina, half the visits in the first six weeks after the storm. In the past year, as the true scope of the failure of the recovery unfolded, Bush visited only twice. The city didn't even get a mention in his State of the Union address last January.

PAINFUL REALITIES

Many of the 270,000 people now living in New Orleans wonder how the nation can spend a half-trillion dollars in Iraq while this city remains wrecked.

"I can't believe this is the United States and after so long, so much is still not fixed," said Melanie Ehrlich, a Tulane University researcher. "It's scandalous, unforgivable."

It's worse than that.

Not far from the Ehrlich home, the 6000 block of Paris Avenue is deserted. Weeds obscure gutted houses. Gruesome gang-like symbols painted on their doors tell cryptic tales of what rescuers found when they pushed through Katrina's floodwater.

"It's like looking at the rapture," said the Rev. Jeremy Evans, 31, as he gazed out from the nearby Edgewater Baptist Church. Like the biblical call of the faithful to Heaven, people seem to have vanished.

Paris Avenue is not an exception. Hard-hit neighborhoods across the city could rot for years at the mercy of process-oriented bureaucrats.

Ilene Powell has had her fill of it.

Powell's home in Lakeview was hit hard by Katrina's flood. She applied to Road Home for a rebuilding grant, then spent 16 months in a maddening process of confusing paperwork, interviews and phone calls. Like thousands of others, she is shaken by the experience. "Just who are the rocket scientists running this mess?" she quips.

Actually, New Orleans does have rocket scientists at the Lockheed-Martin plant that serves the space shuttle program. But the remainder of its economy is shaky.

Perhaps taking cues from the leaderless, chaotic recovery, a crisis of confidence has tainted the local corporate contingent. Companies have heaped charitable contributions on the city, but some are pulling jobs out. There are murmurs that more may do so. Companies have a hard time getting executives to transfer here. Meanwhile, a University of New Orleans poll showed public sentiment is so bad that 29 percent of the current resident population may leave.

America should not allow New Orleans to die a slow death.

"No one in government has a true sense of the reality of what is happening here," Powell observed.

A great American city is withering. The people with power must be made to care.

And you should care — that it could be your hometown that is abandoned when the crisis is yours.

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EDITOR'S NOTE — Brian Schwaner is the Louisiana news editor for The Associated Press, based in New Orleans. A New Orleans native whose family traces its roots in Louisiana to the 1760s, Schwaner is a graduate of East Jefferson High School in suburban Metairie and the University of New Orleans. Much of his career in journalism has been spent covering culture, politics and business in Louisiana. He joined AP in 2006 from The Cincinnati Enquirer, where he was assistant managing editor/business.


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[info]conservative67
2007-08-26 10:55 pm UTC (link)
If it is dying the blame lies on the shoulders of Ragin' Ray Nagin and Gov. Blanco

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blame is such NOLA attitude
[info]diapholom
2007-08-27 01:36 am UTC (link)
they should let Giuliani be interim mayor for 3 months
set the rhythm of competence

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[info]ignis
2007-08-26 11:22 pm UTC (link)
maybe if NOLA had more Arabs and muslims than blacks the DC people would pay more attention to turning them into angry young men and women.

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Writer says New Orleans is Dying
[info]listlessinohio
2007-08-27 01:19 am UTC (link)
I was in New Orleans last March 2007 for a conference. It is a wonderful town. We had so much fun had such great food it is an amazing place. I did not go outside of the city to see the devastation but I really did not need to. I could see the devastation in the eyes of the people who live and worked in the city. The waiters and the business owners who could not seat people at all of the tables in the establishments regardless of wait lines because there were not enough employees to provide world class service. Those who were working were overworked and weary from the blow life had handed them. I found little by way of sense of humor of the locals and many had a distant "tired" look to them. I realized they had little to find humor in and tired was exactly how they must have felt. I wondered how many of them were being loyal to business owners who were holding on by a thread to stay open. How many of them had lost the comfort of home and were now living in FEMA trailers that smell hideoulsy of formaldehyde. How many had aging parents they could not afford to leave or to take with them to start over in a new and foreign part of this country.

How could our fat, rich, wasteful country have let this happen to a wonderful vibrant town like New Orleans? New Orleans is one of the only places you can go in the U.S. where you truly feel like you have been someplace different. Why hasn't our government provided incentives to businesses and industries to hold annual conferences in order to restore travel and tourism to the wonderful city? Why hasn't the hotel industry been given a boost to bring back vacationers and employees? And the restaurannt industry to help defray costs and bring its people back at decent wages? Why couldn't our government have provided incentives to the hotels and money to the city to promote activities, festivals and entertainment? why didn't the government offer to help provide airline rates that were more than competive to bring the people back to this city? So many have had to wait for red tape and cheap insurance companies to right the disaster. Probably because employees have no where to live... Meanwhile in the midwest new construction is going on at a pace that will make ones head spin. Offering mortgages and no money down to people who can bearly afford the overpriced home, and when life situations change for them they can not unload their supposed investment creating the highest foreclosure rates in recent history.

When I came back from my time in New Orleans I tried to tell everyone I could about the wonderful time I had there. I felt an obligation to suggest that it is an excellent place for a vacation or a meeting venue. But bigger than me...The media repeatedly reports that New Orleans as a dying town .. that is is struggling and safty is an issue. New Orleans has been tossed in the political water to fuel the finger pointing of the current lack of leadership of this country. As true as this is it is not fair to the people who live and work there. These stories do as much if not more damage to a beautiful city as the hurricane its self. New Orleans has been caught in the political cross fire, to report or to not report. We should have stories about how the government has followed through on it's promises to the people who live and work there (if they were true). We should have stories about the wonderful food and the great music and the world class hotels and what a great deal it all is for the american dollar. But no, these stories are not told because our leadership has not followed through... because it has failed a wonderful place and the people who live there. Bottom line it has failed us all.

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[info]mcraven333
2007-08-27 01:31 am UTC (link)
Thank you for posting this.

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[info]fyrfitrmedic
2007-08-27 03:55 am UTC (link)
Wow - that's one hell of an icon.

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[info]runwiththestorm
2007-08-27 06:02 am UTC (link)
Shit. Just...shit.

Thank you for posting this. I'll pass it on as I'm able. There has got to be something to be done here...though for the life of me, short of getting rid of all the incompetent assholes who let this happen in the government, I can't think of one.

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[info]montieth
2007-08-27 07:22 am UTC (link)
The Federal Government has poured more money into New Orleans than it has into any other domestic disaster in recent memory and it's still a sucking hole in the ground. Until the corrupt officials are kicked out by the residents AND the residents pull up their boots straps and stop expecting handouts the place will continue to be a sucking hole in the ground.

Corruption and waste ruled that town, it helped it into the current mess (LEVY DISTRICTS) and it's holding it there now (re-electing nagin is just the tip of the iceberg). Germans with more losses due to Day and Night Bombing raids in WWII were able to bounce back and clean up better than the people of New Orleans have.

The dead parts will wither and die. The downtown areas will slowly re-grow and if anyone with any sense is still there, they'll be there to take advantage of the job opportunities. With the worst crime rate in the nation, they're not going to get outside investment. Fix the basic problems of crime and corruption and the other parts will slowly sort themselves out.

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[info]davywavy
2007-08-27 01:10 pm UTC (link)
You say the Germans 'bounced back' and rebuilt their shattered country as if they did it by themselves. They didn't. The British paid the famous 'rubble women' of Berlin a cash bounty every time they brought in a piece of rubble or cleared an area in order to start rebuilding the shattered economy and to give people a sense of their part in the reconstruction - or is it just that they sat in their shattered homes and 'expected handouts'?. Schools and education centres on civil democracy were opened, run, and financed by British and American forces. The German and Japanese economies were rebuilt by huge investments of time and money on the part of the allies; it took the Japanese ten years to have a functional economy again, and when he left the people lined the streets to cheer MacArthur - where is the MacArthur for New Orleans?
Civilisation is the top of a pyramid that relies upon an awful lot of stuff underneath it to support it; showing people civilisation and expecting them to rebuild it by themselves when they can just move elsewhere and get it for no effort at all is unrealistic at best, and downright dumb at worst.

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[info]montieth
2007-08-27 01:59 pm UTC (link)
You're part right:

Civilisation is the top of a pyramid that relies upon an awful lot of stuff underneath it to support it;

That support is people with sand to do what needs to be done that's how this country was built and thats how people built civilization out in the wilderness. Short of the Federal Government coming in and doing that for New Orleans that apparently isn't going to happen.

As far as New Orlean's MacArthur. Perhaps the surrounding states need to invade New Orleans and overthrow the sitting government first? Perhaps Texas could Annex Southern Louisiana? Then we could get Chocolate for brains Nagin out.

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[info]davywavy
2007-08-27 02:19 pm UTC (link)
that's how this country was built and thats how people built civilization out in the wilderness

Really? I always thought that the creator of civilisation (and the creator of the 'manifest destiny') in the Midwest - the railroad - was built upon a government subsidy in excess of US$1m a mile (approx US $72m a mile in todays money).
Certainly before it was built the only two major conurbations in the wilderness - Salt Lake City and Denver, Colorado, could hardly have been call civilised in the modern sense, or even against the standards of similarly sized metropoli of the East and West Coasts of the time.
I know John Ford tells a different story, though.

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[info]montieth
2007-08-27 03:42 pm UTC (link)
So before the railroad there was no civilization?

Or do you feel you can only have civilization through the subsidies of King or Congress? Without national funding civilization does not and cannot exist? Which is it? Transport or funding or both?

What transportation network does not exist down to New Orleans? Roads, rail, ship, all exist. Phone/data lines still go there too those have all been repaired or are being repaired. No severed link there.

How much money has the Federal government dumped into New Orleans? What are we up to, past $20 Billion? How much does it need?

If the locals mismanage things and investors don't come in to rebuild businesses, it's the locals fault. Not the investors. Not the Federal.gov's fault. Why is coastal Mississippi back on a recovery track and New Orleans is not? Look to the local problems and local politicians.

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[info]davywavy
2007-08-27 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Well, before the railroad into the west, you're quite correct - there was no civilisation, at least to standards which you and I would recognise.
Civilisation - to our modern standards - is a result of trade, and it is the responsibility of government to provide that infrastructure to support trade which in turn allows wealth creation and entrepreneurialism (it's a broader area than just transport - areas like legal enforcement of property rights are included within the word 'infrastructure' ) whilst interfering with the process of that trade as little as possible.
It's demonstrable from the historical record that core trade infrastructure provided by private industry tends to result in monopolies where not prevented; whether government should prevent the rise of monopolies (which are harmful to wealth creation) through legislation and enforcement or whether they provide that service themselves is open to debate as to which is the better solution - however, it seems that in NO the US government is doing neither.
What's clear from the above report is that the local people of NO are eager to engage in trade but that they lack the infrastructure to compete on an level ground with other providers of similar services; individuals cannot provide that heavy infrastructure, no matter how hard they tug on their bootstraps. That infrastructure having been severely damaged in
NO means that the city is currently economically uncompetitive - is that solely due to corrupt local officials? No. As the current administration of Hong Kong demonstrates, corruption within legislature is no bar to effective operation of trade so long as the basics of infrasture as outlined above are in place and supported. Why is NO not recovering when Coastal Mississippi (CM) is not? Because NO and CM compete with different markets - NO, and the 'party capital' service it offers is competing with Miami and similar destinations, which CM does not.
Whether NO is a viable investment to become competitive again is perhaps open to debate; whether individuals can provide the resources required to make it happen is not.

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[info]montieth
2007-08-27 05:26 pm UTC (link)
So what infrastructure are they missing that is not provided by the local or state agencies?

BTW Bootstrapping includes getting together and cleaning up your own neighborhood. It also includes NOT re-electing the corrupt officials that got you where you are today.

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[info]davywavy
2007-08-28 09:22 am UTC (link)
Well, I've not been there but assuming that the above story is accurate: Public schools, firehouses, police stations and transit routes are closed. Hospitals have not returned to normal capacity, and those that are open say they are losing millions of dollars providing medical care for the poor.

Without basic civil infrastruture based around education (traditionally the way out of the ghetto), healthcare, and enforcement and protection of property rights through civil authority (police and firemen to you and I), the incentive for individuals to get together and do it themselves simply isn't there as they have no way of benefitting from or securing their work - unless you're advocating vigilantism in the absence of police, which I wouldn't.
The concept of 'learned helplessness' is a fairly basic psychological concept and it's easily overcome; remove from people all they have worked and lived for over a period and the problem of rebuilding can seem insurmountable. It's actually quite easy to overcome this through well-coordinated aid from external agencies. - the Schwerstarbeit 'rubble women' of Berlin after VE day being a good example of this.
I don't know if you read German, but this is a very good history of the subject, perhaps the most pertintent quote being "Ohne ihre
Schwerstarbeit wären die deutschen Städte lange Zeit Schutthalden geblieben"
- I think this means something like, without their work, the German cities
would have remained rubbish sites for a long time.
http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/Nachkriegsjahre/DasEndeAlsAnfang/truemmerfrauen.html

I find it surprising that after the astonishingly sterling work in rebuilding German and Japanese infrastructure postwar and the speedy recovery the US managed in those countries it now seems to have forgotten and/or ignored all it learned and did then in Iraq and NO. It's perhaps most odd that you did such good work for Germany and Japan who were active aggressors who'd tried to destroy the US, whilst in NO it's your own people who have done you no wrong who you're failing.
I've a variety of theories about why this is, some of which I go into here: http://davywavy.livejournal.com/225245.html

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[info]montieth
2007-08-28 03:31 pm UTC (link)
Without basic civil infrastruture based around education (traditionally the way out of the ghetto), healthcare, and enforcement and protection of property rights through civil authority (police and firemen to you and I), the incentive for individuals to get together and do it themselves simply isn't there as they have no way of benefitting from or securing their work - unless you're advocating vigilantism in the absence of police, which I wouldn't.


Basic civili infrastructure has been there in New Orleans. It's not grandiose, it's not extravagant, it's very basic. But it's there. They've STAYED in the Ghetto with MORE assets and gifts from the state and largesse from their neighbors because they have no will to leave. Those that do do. There's poverty and then there's poverty living in a cardboard box in Mumbai doing odd jobs on good days and digging through the dump for scraps on not so days is poverty. Owning a car, a nice stereo, an apartment that someone else pays for and nice clothes is NOT poverty. If you can't bootstrap yourself out of that, it's your own damn fault. It's lack of wisdom when it comes to spending. Using a federal handout to get out of the affected zone or to get by on the

unless you're advocating vigilantism in the absence of police, which I wouldn't.


Please define what YOU think vigilantism is. If there are no police around what are you supposed to do? Who is ultimately responsible for your safety?

I find it surprising that after the astonishingly sterling work in rebuilding German and Japanese infrastructure postwar and the speedy recovery the US managed in those countries

Those countries were under Military Law and administration. Their local governments were entirely answerable to us for several years with little to NO recourse. Nagin would have been out on his ear if he were a German functionary and were clearly part of the problem. There wouldn't have been an ACLU to complain about it either. Corrupt police who were caught taking things, arrested and warned not to do it again or ELSE. Do you advocate Martial Law in New Orleans? For several Years? IS that REALLY what you want?


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[info]davywavy
2007-08-28 04:28 pm UTC (link)
Like I say, I'm working on the assumption that the above report - the one about police and fire stations being closed, etc &c, being true. If it is not true, I'll welcome contrary evidence and revise my opinions.

I don't know why you raise long term individual poverty as a point - I haven't touched on it in this debate, but it seems we agree on many areas, albeit in different terms: http://davywavy.livejournal.com/240941.html. However, I'm not sure why you raise long-term poverty in NO as that is a different issue to that of the reconstruction of a functional, competing economy, with very different solutions. The microeconomics of individual poverty and the macroeconomics of greater economic collapse are two very different things. I'd be happy to discuss the former as well, but I'd like to point out that the results of Hurricane Katrina and long-term poverty are two different beasts and confusing them would make both harder to solve. it's certainly possible for individuals to 'bootstrap' themselves out of poor circumstances within a working economy. However, as NO's ecomony has effectively collapsed then the people who live there simply have fewer optiopns and opportunities.
As I note above, the basis of a functioning modern economy is trade. The report indicates that people are willing to trade - indeed, eager to do so - but the opportunity simply isn't there because NO has been removed from it's core market (tourism and the convention/conference circuit) by circumstances beyond it's control and for as long as the market it serves (people coming to the city) believe that long-term problems exist then the market will simply take it's money elsewhere.
Now, can the NO economy recover solely through the actions of it's own citizens? Possibly, in the long term, yes. However, as my link to the reconstruction of Germany site indicates it will take a lot longer, and condemn people to unnecessary suffering, without external aid. After all, can the owners of the empty office space mentioned above 'bootstrap' themselves some out-of-town customers? And if they can't do that, who is going to be paying the waged staff the money they rely upon to get them out of their problems?
I'm certainly unconvinced that the above can be blamed squarely upon the shoulders of corrupt and incompetant city officials when the army are still providing police services. As a business owner, I'd rather a city with a corrupt legislature but with a visible and active police force and fire service than one with an honest mayor but no cops. I can work with the former to make things better; I wouldn't even bother trying in the latter.

Please define what YOU think vigilantism is. If there are no police around what are you supposed to do? Who is ultimately responsible for your safety?

You make an interesting question; vigilantism is the enforcement of arbitary law by individuals or groups without a civil mandate.
Who is ultimately responsible for my safety? Why, any bozo with a gun can claim to be responsible for their own safety but sitting on your step with a shotgun to stop people looting your home effectively prevents you from engaging in wealth-generating activity. Given the homelessness problem, for example, simply ensuring that their possessions aren't looted is undoubtedly preventing people from being economically active.
I think we're agreeing here - there need to be police around for people to contribute above a subsistence level, and as NO is failing to provide them it's up to external civil authority to do so? I think this same argument can be extended to many areas of civil infrastructure.

To be continued...

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Re: Continued, and this time without the typos...
[info]montieth
2007-08-28 09:10 pm UTC (link)
I would argue based on my limited understanding that the areas where people were LEAST invested in being poor and on the dole are the least likely to be still impacted by the destruction caused by the Flooding and Hurricane. Those who are MOST invested in being on the dole from the city and state agencies are MOST likely to still be needing it's aid on a continuing basis, irregardless of the funding for assistance. If I lived in a place that didn't have good jobs any more and I had an option for a debt card from the feds to get through the rough spot, I'd pull up stakes pack what I had to have and leave town to find work elsewhere. Work is out there. You just have to want to do it and find it.

With regards to re-construction/temproary repairs: I own my own home, if I have a big hole in my roof, I'm not going to wait for the Army corps of engineers to send around a contractor to put a blue tarp on my roof. I'm going to go find tarps and put them up there myself. (In fact I have wet roof patch and a tarp sitting at my house ready for this sort of problem ahead of time) Its my house, I don't see HOW the Army Corps of engineers is the 1st person responsible for this. Sure, fine, if they show up on my block, ask me if I need a tarp, I tell them what size and they hand one to me great. But I'm not going to wait months for them to bring me a tarp. I'm going to start fixing my problems myself.

You make an interesting question; vigilantism is the enforcement of arbitary law by individuals or groups without a civil mandate. [snip]

You're a late 20th century Brit so you'll get a bit of leeway on this.

A Right to one's life and one's property is NOT arbitrary law. It's fundamental English Common Law. If someone wants to forcefully deprive you of that because they want it for their own then they are in the wrong. Period.

The individual is responsible for their safety. Not the state, not the city, not the county. The relevant case law can be summed up by reading Warren vs District of Columbia. Police are agents of the state who come in and clean up the mess to protect society. If they are NOT available you are on your own.

Any bozo (with or without a shotgun) IS responsible for the safety and security of their own home. In the case of New Orleans and the absence of the larger city/county government, smaller neighborhood level clusters of people organizing a watch (armed or not) are in fact correct and appropriate. It's an ad hoc form of what makes up the absent or overwhelmed county/city/state law enforcement or other elements.

It is no more wrong for me to shoot someone to defend my home/family than it is for me to put out a fire in my own home. It's the SAME principle.

If there IS still rampant crime when civil order has been supposedly restored you're still responsible for your own security. IF that means keeping up those neighborhood watches, so be it. Combned resources whether on a street, neighborhood, ward, town, city, parish or state level are scales of exactly the same principle.

I think we're agreeing here - there need to be police around for people to contribute above a subsistence level, and as NO is failing to provide them it's up to external civil authority to do so?

This is NOT a federal problem which is, to my understanding the point of discussion here. This is a state/city/Parish issue which lies squarely on the local elected officials AND their appointed agents in the police departments. Given that New Orleans had a 25% departmental phantom force of officers that did not exist but were drawing pay checks, there in lies the issue that there was RAMPANT corruption in the old mayors office/administration. Even if the mayor was utterly untouched by the problem, he was STILL responsible as mayor, on that fact alone, to have been re-elected says to me that the Electorate of the City or New Orleans has their combined heads so far up their asses, they couldn't see sunshine if they were sitting on the Sol facing side of Mercury.

If you want to argue the subject of self defense, come on over to my blog. I expect that interdictor will agree with me here but saying that people are wrong to defend theirs and themselves when public order breaks down is absolutely daft.

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[info]davywavy
2007-08-29 10:17 am UTC (link)
Most mornings I hop out of bed and go to work, and in doing so I carry out a bit of risk analysis. It's so simple it isn't even a conscious process, but what it is is "Is the risk of my house being robbed and all my stuff being nicked sufficiently great that staying at home with a bat is a good idea, or not?" - and every morning I reach the same subconscious conclusion that it isn't. There's a risk I might be robbed - about 1 day in every 7,000 on current trends - but that's so low that leaving home to engage with the greater economy is the more profitable activity.
The thing about citizens taking up arms to protect their own is that it's inefficient and wasteful, and far fewer people benefit as the wider economy is not served. If I stayed home to protect what's mine, then I wouldn't be in the office making money and employing staff. Moreover, if society had crumbled to the point where staying home to protect what's mine had become necessary, then my office (ten miles away and full of expensive computers) would probably be robbed as I couldn't protect that too - meaning that my economic activity would suffer.
This is the great thing about effective civil infrastructure and a market economy - firstly, most people are so rich that their risk assessment of nicking my stuff against the potential punishments means they don't bother as the rewards aren't there, and secondly I get property protection at a distance - I don't have to protect my business because the police mostly do that sort of thing for me.
Hence the people of NO taking up arms to protect their homes in the absence of police is stupid, because there shouldn't be an absence of legal enforcement and civil infrastructure. Paid police are economically active (they aren't wealth-creating, but they keep money sloshing round in the economy), and they also free me and you and people like us up from most of the protecting ourselves stuff to create wealth which in turn makes everyone richer.
Hence the argument that what NO needs is effective civic infrasturucture to recover from it's natural disaster - people who aren't using their time looking after themselves can create wealth into a wider economy and everyone benefits. Given that NO's problem is that the economy has collapsed in the wake of natural disaster, creating an environment in which economic recovery is stimulated is a pretty good idea, and that simply isn't achieved by leaving it up to people to grab their shooters and decide which laws they like best.

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Continued, and this time without the typos...
[info]davywavy
2007-08-28 04:32 pm UTC (link)
I'm afraid you do seem to be contradicting yourself, though. In your first response, you say:
Germans with more losses due to Day and Night Bombing raids in WWII were able to bounce back and clean up better than the people of New Orleans have, whilst here you're saying that it was only through agressive military intervention and rule that Germany was able to effectively rebuild. Which is the case? Either the Germans bounced back, or they did it with strenuous intervention by the allies. I'm afraid you can't have it both ways.
Considering that it was yourself who raised the German example and I just queried you on it, making an extreme case and then asking me if it's REALLY WHAT I WANT is putting words in my mouth, and unfairly so.

To clarify what I would like to see:
The re-establishment of effective civil authority and infrastucture in NO which will in turn allow people the opprtunity to better their position within a functioning market economy rather than simply living short-term. As I think we agree that crushed economies struggle to achieve this by themselves, this will require effective external aid and development. If the above report is true then this is currently not being provided - much to the shame of the greater United States government. Considering the great example that the US once showed the world in reconstruction work, it's a very great shame that your government treats its own people so shabbily.

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Re: Continued, and this time without the typos...
[info]montieth
2007-08-28 09:50 pm UTC (link)
I'm afraid you do seem to be contradicting yourself

I was speaking to the nature of the people in response to disaster. Largely based on my studies of WWII history (mostly British unit histories).

WWII Germany/Japan were subject to severe bombing / destruction due to open warfare. The material destruction is only part of the problem. The war killed a great many civilians and government officials (soldiers aside). Town government buildings were targets for bombing or were used as defensive strong points. Records, clerks and other people in government were also pressed into home guard service and they tended to suffer badly when faced with trained Commonwealth/US soldiers.

The casualties alone make administering civilian government more difficult, yet a lot of instances of civil government on the local scale were slowly put back together. Based on my understanding, I get the impression that local german towns were very quick to start trying to repair/rebuild in spite of the sheer scale of what they'd seen not just for a few short days but for years of RAF/USAAF bombing missions plus weeks for the ground offensive to get past their positions.

New Orleans didn't see remotely the same number of casualties as WWII Europe did for scale or duration. 1000 for the entire region. What elements that WERE casualties were largely material (bad planning like paper records in the basement of a building in a flood zone?!) and are merely costly for reconstruction purposes. (how many cops/first responders actually died due to the hurricane or flooding?)


Not having Fire/Police C3 in multi story buildings with radio repeaters on high ground is just dumb in a flood zone. What did they do with all their Home Land Security grants? Apparently it wasn't spent on bullet proofing their Command and Control.

The re-establishment of effective civil authority and infrastucture in NO which will in turn allow people the opprtunity to better their position within a functioning market economy rather than simply living short-term.

I would argue that New Orleans has the exact same civil authority that it had before the Hurricane. The same corrupt, inept and cancerous government that the same electorate voted in before is still there in largely an unchanged form. That same bunch of elected officials from the Mayor down have a system of beauracrats that are more interested in padding their own pockets than doing a good job. Perhaps its down sized since the hurricane, but it's shown that it's just as inefficient and unable to cope with reality as before.

Considering the great example that the US once showed the world in reconstruction work, it's a very great shame that your government treats its own people so shabbily.

People elect their own governments. When the People of New Orleans are ready for real change they'll get rid of Nagin and his gang of crooks. The Mayor, the sitting police chief, the levee boards, the city council, etc. They all need to go. A good old recall is in order. But, I'm sure Nagin will keep them dancing to his tune and keep blaming Washington DC.

New Orleans has industry, commerce that runs through the area, it's a tourist location. A lot of towns that have NONE of that have an excuse for lacking an economy. NOLA doesn't have that excuse.

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Re: Continued, and this time without the typos...
[info]davywavy
2007-08-29 10:31 am UTC (link)
I'm really uninterested in the problems that NO had before Katrina; I'll take your word for it that the whole setup was rotten from top to toe and it should be stricken away. That's not the problem I'm concerned with, because before Katrina NO had a functional and competitive economy and it now does not; linking a political dislike for the elected representatives to the aftereffects of Katrina does not actually solve any problems, but I can understand why it's tempting and even quite good fun to do so. The only problem I'm interested in seeing solved is the one in question; a collapsed economy caused by destruction of civic infrastructure, a loss of 40% of the workforce through emigration, and an inability to compete in core markets due to the first two problems.
Like I say above; whether NO is worth saving is open to debate; however, arguing that the citizenry can do so by themselves isn't and doing so indicates a lack of awareness of how the modern market economy actually works.

As an aside, my father was in the Royal Engineers at Bremerhaven in the army of occupation from 1945 - 48 and the story he tells about reconstruction is quite different to the one you do. In this instance I'll take his word, I'm sure you understand.

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Re: Continued, and this time without the typos...
[info]montieth
2007-08-29 12:36 pm UTC (link)
I'm really uninterested in the problems that NO had before Katrina; I'll take your word for it that the whole setup was rotten from top to toe and it should be stricken away. That's not the problem I'm concerned with, because before Katrina NO had a functional and competitive economy and it now does not.

Well, then you're utterly ignoring the basis for the problem. This is the United States. Law enforcement policy for the whole country isn't directed from the Justice Department (Like it largely is from the Home Office in UK I think?). It's like an onion, each smaller layer is closer to the problem AND is more responsible for the problem. Local Law Enforcement at the City/County level is where it's at. That's MOST affected by local opinion/voters.

The problem is, that by utterly discounting the problems New Orleans had you doom it and ignore the current problems. For example, prior to Katrina, NOLA had, on the books some 1500 or so Police officers. After the storm, it seemed that some 500 or so police had just left. It turned out that MOST of those 500 officers didn't exist. Their paychecks were being collected by someone. They were "appearing" for roll call, they were getting reviews, but they weren't real people or real cops. 1/3 of the police force that was being PAID didn't exist. How do you have that sort of problem? That sort of problem of corruption is so deep within the police department that you HAVE to question it's ability to get it's job done. HAve we seen the NOPD doing a good job? Not from what I've heard.

Most of the core problems in NOLA are a result of the Local Government being inept or corrupt. It was before it still is. Nagin was re-elected. I expect that's just the tip of the ice berg.

Your workforce isn't going to come back because they're unimpressed with the city Administration. The frail but extant civic infrastructure which is corrupt IS there, it's just not doing it's job. It was fat before now it has a very lean budget and I doubt it can do much with the extant corruption bleeding funds away like a torpedoed tanker leaks oil.

You CANNOT blame the national US government when the local government is the root problem.

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Re: Continued, and this time without the typos...
[info]davywavy
2007-08-30 08:55 am UTC (link)
Link aid or trade ideals with 'good governence' provision simply doesn't work. I know it's a really attractive concept, but - to my knowledge - has never actually worked wherever it has been tried.
What does work is just trading with people, and what trade needs is infrastructure. The reason effective trade results in good governance is because trade creates monied and propertied classes are who less like to accept and be tolerant of corruption in high office.
Lets take the example of Africa - the west has been saying for years that corruption at the top must be solved before the good times, aid and trade can flow. This has failed, and impressively so. It just isn't going to happen.
What is working is the Chinese, who really don't give a toss who they do business with and are trading across the continent - creating, as they go, infrastructure to help their trade routes (which other people can use too, making them richer in the process) and a monied and propertied class who are less likely to be tolerant of the sort of embezzling lunatics which Africa seems to spawn.
I would ask whether, as you aren't prepared for your government to help out the city of NO by making it work, whether you'd be happy for the Dragon to come and do the work for you - but that seems to already be moot point.

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[info]westleyo
2007-08-27 11:06 am UTC (link)
Thanks for the update. Here in NYC I have had the mistaken impression that New Orleans was on the mend. I was considering taking a trip there around Christmas time.

It is unforgivable that this government has allowed one of it's City's to be come a third world community within itself. What can we do to help?

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[info]fan_of_happosai
2007-08-27 01:30 pm UTC (link)
>"What can we do to help?"
Although I've never spent a day in Nawlins, you could help by giving money to charities that will help there. From everything I've seen and heard, the government is not contributing to the problems down there... the government IS the problem down there.

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[info]eldanmagnifico
2007-08-28 04:47 am UTC (link)
"What can we do to help?"

Consider taking that trip around Christmas time.

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[info]davywavy
2007-08-28 04:45 pm UTC (link)
Best advice you can give.

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[info]bifemmefatale
2007-08-29 06:18 pm UTC (link)
Please visit the city anyway. The French Quarter and Garden District are in good shape and the city needs your tourism business. If you have tiome, you might consider volunteering with Habitat or Common Ground Relief.org while you're there.

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[info]the_mendicant
2007-08-27 12:23 pm UTC (link)
Thankyou for providing this inciteful update on the situation where you are. I was in a conversation just the other day, about what progress was being made.

Its a disgrace what is happening, and than heavens there are still people like you to champion the cause. I have read your blog since the early days of the flooding and think you deserve far wider recognition for your efforts in telling it like it is.

Please keep up the good work! Maybe, just maybe someone with influence will listen?

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[info]fan_of_happosai
2007-08-27 01:33 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the article. Too bad this article takes the "we need mama government to wipe our patooties" approach. Although I did prefer the articles written about entrepreneurs going down there to help clean up and get things going again being refused... because they weren't local.

I may not be from New Orleans, but I can see from several thousand miles away that it's the government that's getting this situation more and more screwed up by the day. And was I the only one who cringed when the author mentioned that Mayor "Chicken Little" was trying to run for something higher than mayor?

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[info]a_motley_fool
2007-08-27 01:33 pm UTC (link)
oh please the fucker has been dead for years.

This is starting to look like the Terri Shavio case. Lots of urgency and hand wringing when the patient has been functionally dead for years.

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[info]ernunnos
2007-08-27 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Not to mention the unquestioned assumption that any given city has a right to exist at previous levels of population and activity. Maintained at taxpayer expense, of course. There are ghost towns all across the west, should we be trying to resurrect them regardless of whether it makes economic sense and people actually want to live there? And other cities have suffered from hurricanes too. Before the hurricane of 1900, Galveston was known as the "New York of the South". Then it got wiped out, and Houston took over as the primary city of the area.

Why is it so unthinkable that New Orleans should be subject to the same natural forces any other city has to contend with?

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[info]serr8d
2007-08-30 01:14 pm UTC (link)
New Orleans needs some elevation before it will fully recover.

The very bottom line is that the NO is lower than sea level. NO is located in the most massive flood plain in the US, near the mouth of the largest drainage river on the continent. If the city is to survive another massive hurricane (or even a modest one, now) it must be protected from water, from seaside and upriver.

It's just not worth it, now, to spend the public money to recreate another target for the next hurricane.

All the blame in the world, before and after the natural disaster that was Katrina, will not raise New Orleans one inch higher above sea level. The best bet is to retract the city limits, build some walls around the parts that are important, and let the rest go back to nature. Don't try to build again on ground that isn't really ground.

Maybe that's why 160K people haven't come back; they realize that the true problem isn't Government, after all.

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[info]elligirl
2007-08-27 07:52 pm UTC (link)
Excellent article. It's so sad and frustrating that more isn't being done. I watched a show last night that talked about the dam in Rotterdam. It cost a boatload of money, but that kind of effort is what is needed to protect the city. If the Dutch can do it, why can't the Americans? So sad...

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[info]unix_jedi
2007-09-02 01:55 pm UTC (link)
If the Dutch can do it, why can't the Americans?

Geology.

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[info]mantispid
2007-08-29 12:31 am UTC (link)
I live on the outskirts of New Orleans, and the city is doing quite well. The 'bad' parts of town are withering, but quite honestly I think that's a good thing. The property values will continue to crash and eventually some industrious developers will take it over and 'gentrify' it. The surrounding areas outside of the core city are bouncing back quickly. The suburbs are doing great. Just a couple miles west in Harahan, they're building a new Best Buy and a couple other large chain stores... I don't think that's a sign of a failing economy.

Yes, certain areas of New Orleans are rotting away. But I say let them. They weren't very promising to begin with. The areas that do show promise, are flourishing. No thanks to the New Orleans government, of course. But then again, if you really want to do something right, you don't go through government.

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[info]aspasia93
2007-08-29 07:10 pm UTC (link)
thanks for the update. It simply amazes me that with sidearms, munchies, and a boatload of outrageously expensive diesel (OK, yes, that was almost criminally oversimplified) -- you guys could keep the show running through the thick of it, but the whole dang "recovery project", from the top on down, is so fraught with corruption and plain old bureaucratic red tape that two years later, so much of the city is still a rotting husk of its former glory.

I saw a piece on the news this morning about the new levies being built from loose soils, instead of the heavy silts that would naturally be there were it not for all of the dams and canals starving the delta. I am simply amazed that those with the ability to throw around billions at a time are still just feeding those dollars to patch up a system that was built to fail instead of looking to Europe where engineering marvels keep their low-lying cities safe every day.

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