interdictor ([info]interdictor) wrote,
2007-06-05 03:04:00

Hmmm



Twice the murder rate of Oakland? That's not even something to be disgusted by anymore. That's... just plain impressive. That's almost something to be celebrated.

Anyway, does anyone have any theory which can explain these murder rates?

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[info]cluebyfour

June 5 2007, 07:41:15 UTC 4 years ago

does anyone have any theory which can explain these murder rates?

The cops never returned any of the guns they seized post-Katrina?

[info]fritzmaceachen

October 9 2008, 14:54:58 UTC 3 years ago

The level of force used on these people was shockingly disproportionate to the need (especially with the elderly woman at the beginning of the clip); wanton distruction of private property was totally unnecessary; and the refusal to give receipts for confiscated property violates every tenet of a free society (clearly they never expected to return any of those weapons, so having the ability to identify the owners was irrelevant in their eyes).

[info]jaredbedic

3 years ago

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[info]no_brakes23

June 5 2007, 07:58:15 UTC 4 years ago

Well I keep hearing on NPR that it is a combination of drug dealers having made contact with their Houston suppliers two levels up during the evac, and cutting out the middle men to absorb more profit, and young thugs who were previously kept in line, (Relatively speaking,) by mammy and pappy have returned to Nawlins sans the grandparents/parents. No adults or veteranos to keep them in check means they go farther. Beefs lead to murder more easily.

Also the murders have spike, and the population has decreased, according to the graph, so that skews the numbers as well.

[info]emesebovyr

July 16 2008, 02:10:39 UTC 3 years ago

As they neared their house in Metairie, Guste recounted, two men waving guns began to tailgate them.

[info]newtondelph

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[info]octal

June 5 2007, 08:02:46 UTC 4 years ago

They breed or immigrate faster than they die, so even long-term high murder rates don't reduce population. It's like a rifle vs. ants.

[info]octal

June 5 2007, 08:03:40 UTC 4 years ago

Oops. Didn't notice it was normalized per capita.

[info]annierekad

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[info]diapholom

June 5 2007, 08:25:58 UTC 4 years ago

it's because george bush hates black people (& illegal immigrants)

[info]ook

June 5 2007, 10:38:09 UTC 4 years ago

Actually, Kanye got it wrong. George Bush hates POOR people.

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[info]thedabara

June 5 2007, 11:03:06 UTC 4 years ago

Wow. NOLA beat Detroit.....and Gary, Indiana??? (who knew?).....

[info]jim_bridger

June 5 2007, 19:39:33 UTC 4 years ago

the Katricians created a crime wave in Houston.

[info]pstscrpt

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[info]greengalnblack

June 5 2007, 12:45:30 UTC 4 years ago

poverty -> crime. The worse the poverty, the worse the crime.

[info]evilegg

June 5 2007, 13:06:31 UTC 4 years ago

Unless no one has nuthin', and that seems to bring flies.

Why must poverty -> too lazy/indifferent to pick up the friggin' trash in the yard?

One of our old (dog) foster homes, they would throw the baby's used diapers out onto the porch and into the yard. And just leave them. Maybe pick them up once every a few weeks.

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[info]sainteelyse

June 5 2007, 12:48:44 UTC 4 years ago

oddly, what i find the most odd is that richmond virginia is on the list. who the hell does diddly in richmond. though i did live there and my house was broken into and other assorted things that i don't talk about at 4:30 am.

and ya know what, i'd still choose to live here (new orleans) than anywhere else on the list or in the country. as shown by my recent move back here leaving austin texas.

[info]phanatic

June 5 2007, 13:19:03 UTC 4 years ago

Before Operation Exile started up, Richmond was the *handgun* murder capital of the world.

[info]antisocialite

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[info]evelynne

June 5 2007, 13:15:09 UTC 4 years ago

I don't think you can compare NO to Oakland. New Orleans is a unique case since half its population disappeared overnight. No_Brakes23 is right -- the rate looks so much worse because so many law-abiding people didn't return to New Orleans after Katrina. The people most likely to be committing murders are also among the people most likely to have stayed in NO instead of leaving. Going by the footnote, both rates represent 162 murders in 2006 (162 / 223,000 = 72.6 per 100,000 and 162/255,137 = 63.5 per 100,000). If just 100,000 additional non-murderous people had come back to the city by March 2007, the rate would become 162 / 355,137 = 45.6 per 100K. (Pre-Katrina population was almost half a million.)

[info]evilegg

June 5 2007, 22:15:45 UTC 4 years ago

Are you saying we should BOMB THE CITY NOW?

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[info]thesmilingbandi

June 5 2007, 14:17:30 UTC 4 years ago

Another thing to consider is this. How much has the infrastructure of the city been rebuilt so far? Are the police operating at the same efficiency (let's not even discuss the corruption at this point) as it was pre-Katrina? How much of the destroyed parts of the city are still un-repaired and a good hiding ground for a criminal? Unfortunately, people are pretty much opportunistic and will prey on the lack of a completely rebuilt legal system. Drug runners will jump upon that hoping that they can smuggle in more goods with less risk.

Combine that with the overall reduction of population and you can see why the figures spike. I used to live outside of Odessa, Texas and back in the 80's that happened to be the murder capitol for a couple of years. The situation there was strange as it was an oil town which was booming early 80's, then mid 80's the oil industry took a major downturn. All these people who had moved there just to work oil were now unemployed. They went out drinking a lot and bar fights led to shooting which led to a rise in murder rate.

Perhaps that's what's happening here. Murder rates always seem to skyrocket in cities which have fallen on hard times. Hard times breeds misery which breeds unrest which leads to violence and eventually to murder.

~Loren Sides

[info]jessevanbrakel

October 9 2008, 14:45:52 UTC 3 years ago

The City has not recovered even though HE said that HE would build a New Orleans that was better than ever.

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[info]octal

June 6 2007, 09:42:15 UTC 4 years ago

NYC has been incredibly safe for a long time.

[info]danamennis

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[info]polyanarch

June 5 2007, 14:38:49 UTC 4 years ago

Top 10

Damn, shitcago didn't even make the list.

It can't be THAT far behind.

[info]lovemarigold

June 5 2007, 15:30:56 UTC 4 years ago

Re: Top 10

it's # of murders per 100,000 people...so chi-town may have lots of killings, but having lots and lots of people overall changes the statistic.

[info]polyanarch

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[info]jack_mirth

June 5 2007, 16:38:56 UTC 4 years ago

increased zombie production?

[info]sageautumn

June 5 2007, 17:01:15 UTC 4 years ago

I'm pretty sure that a zombie can't be charged with murder.

Much less sure on the "Why not?"

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[info]f0xghost

June 5 2007, 17:36:32 UTC 4 years ago

murder rates are def. up in oakland since 2006.

[info]driftingapart

June 5 2007, 18:29:10 UTC 4 years ago

I find that graph to be interesting. What makes Oakland, Ca so dangerous?
I've never been there but I'd like to hear some stuff about it.. if you know anything.

[info]miss_mellie_b

June 6 2007, 00:12:42 UTC 4 years ago

Oakland has:
gangs
drugs
guns
poverty
illiteracy
ignorance
idiots
more rental housing than owned housing in poorer areas
a "life is cheap mentality" by most of the young people (it happens when there is always a funeral)
too many liquor stores

Oakland does not have:
enough cops
a decent school system
parental responsibility for their children and their children's actions
enough responsible residents

[info]entheos93

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[info]mesawyou

June 5 2007, 18:35:43 UTC 4 years ago

It's the HEAT! the HEAT!!

[info]varin

June 5 2007, 22:37:52 UTC 4 years ago

Wow, ummm, that's comforting seeing as I live about 15 minutes from Gary. :o

[info]maradeath

June 6 2007, 00:04:30 UTC 4 years ago

I am not surprised that my city of Oakland made this list.

I will say thought that the media does a great job of smearing shit on the face of Oakland as a city. We are also not yet near the rate we where going in the mid-90's.

This is the beauty of $$ pushing out live long residents, and driving poverty forward:(

[info]messofme

June 6 2007, 00:22:59 UTC 4 years ago

also, huge influx of 'workers' to the area. these people are just around for the money. dont care about the city theyre in whatsoever. dont establish bank accounts, rarely get state ID (although if you work in that state youre supposed to have state ID in most states at least). they put a roof on, head to the bank and pay $5 to cash their check. walk around w cash and party. sometimes the party's not too happy.... random observations from florida. then top all that off w lack of law enforcement, and of course the money NEVER goes where it really belongs in america....(does it anywhere??)

[info]otaku1

June 6 2007, 03:12:06 UTC 4 years ago

new orleans: democratic mayor
gary: democratic mayor
detroit: democratic mayor
flint: hard to find, but i believe he's a democratic mayor
birmingham: democratic mayor
baltimore: democratic mayor
richmond, ca: green party mayor (uh, can we say democratic?)
richmond, va: independent mayor
newark: democratic mayor
oakland: democratic mayor

interesting!

[info]otaku1

June 6 2007, 03:13:15 UTC 4 years ago

richmond, virginia's mayor is actually traditionally democratic, making him more D than I

[info]_corvidae_

June 6 2007, 04:53:15 UTC 4 years ago

According to the news I've been reading about it, it's a simple case of a catch and release prison system. Weak cases combined with full prisons and lenient judges. It adds up to a lot of killers that get away with it because no one turns them in, the cops can't make a decent case in court, or the judge doesn't keep them in jail.

Add in your usual cases of corrupt/incompatent cops and a natural disaster, you've got a mix for a really bad day.

[info]missylaneous

June 7 2007, 04:58:52 UTC 4 years ago

If it makes you feel any better.. at least you don't have double the murder rate of Gary, Indiana (but you did push them out of the #1 spot..I think they've held that one for a while)

Richmond, CA is far worse than Oakland. (even though richmond and oakland are neighbors)

[info]nolaluvah

June 12 2007, 19:37:00 UTC 4 years ago

Just a bit..

I have worked in mental health so I don't want to sound like I believe all mentally-ill people are dangerous. I too have received most of my info from NPR. Poverty = increase crime rate is what is being touted. I think a certain percentage of the problem, though, may have to do with the lack of mental health services and medical care.

One probation officer once told me that violent crime increased tremendously with drug use. Drug use is frequently a form of self-medication for mental illness.

Proper healthcare is obviously needed. Violence may be one of the consequences of the lack of proper healthcare.

[info]shiva_maxwell

June 29 2007, 05:33:03 UTC 4 years ago

top 10 murderous cities

i mean i live near hellhole no 8 (richmond va) there's a reason why i say AVOID richmond va AT ALL COST unless you want to die a quick & painfull death

[info]ttrtt

September 2 2007, 14:35:37 UTC 4 years ago

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[info]g0blin

August 27 2008, 21:33:09 UTC 3 years ago

Are 2004/2005 data avilable?
How denominator (i.e. numer of people living in the area) have changed?
Last but not the least, how areas are defined? Downtown? City? Metropolitan area?
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