interdictor ([info]interdictor) wrote,
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Duke Rape Hoax Case?
What do you guys think about the dropped Duke Rape case? Does anyone believe she was raped? Sexually assaulted? Did she lie? Is she mentally ill?


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[info]madbard
2007-04-14 06:35 pm UTC (link)
I say you can only do this Socratic routine if you promise to tell us your opinion after everyone else has spoken.

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[info]ikilled007
2007-04-14 06:40 pm UTC (link)
My opinion is that the girl is mentally ill. It's also my opinion that the guys showed remarkably terrible judgement in having a stripper party for their team, and that their parents obviously didn't raise them well. They should have had better sense than that. Not that bad judgement should be prosecuted by law and false allegations, but they can only blame themselves for being in a situation where these charges could be made and possibly believed. I really don't think the girl was malicious -- just insane. It's not an excuse, of course, and while she probably should not be prosecuted for a crime, she should be in the nuthouse until she's treated to such an extent that she can apologize to the people whose lives she ruined.

Nifong should go to jail for the rest of his life, after he's disbarred and bankrupted.

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[info]bizetsy
2007-04-14 08:01 pm UTC (link)
I feel like the fact that he calls it the "Duke Rape HOAX Case" narrows his viewpoint down at least some...

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(no subject) - [info]ikilled007, 2007-04-14 09:25 pm UTC

[info]ikilled007
2007-04-14 09:25 pm UTC (link)
Well? Where's your opinion?

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(no subject) - [info]madbard, 2007-04-15 12:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tomcatshanger, 2007-04-15 03:17 am UTC

[info]revned
2007-04-14 06:43 pm UTC (link)
I'd like to know why Jesse Jackson is nowhere to be seen regarding this.
I'd also like to know why NOBODY in the media has grilled Jesse concerning this.

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(no subject) - [info]ikilled007, 2007-04-14 06:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]revned, 2007-04-14 07:02 pm UTC

[info]twistedcat
2007-04-14 06:57 pm UTC (link)
i really dislike the commentators in the media who have gone after the girl, to the point of releasing her personal information, because THAT BEHAVIOR makes it harder for other women to feel safe in going forward when they have been raped. the whole problem with stepping forward and naming your assailant for rape victims is that they feel ashamed (because there are a lot of messages out there that make them think that it is somehow their fault, on top o fthe needing control issue that will make them think it's their fault) *and* they think no one is going to believe them (becaus there are a lot of messages out there that tell them that no one is going to believe them).

beyond that, i actually have no opinion.

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(no subject) - [info]mcfnord, 2007-04-14 07:19 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mcfnord, 2007-04-14 07:28 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]quotidianlight, 2007-04-14 07:35 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mcfnord, 2007-04-14 11:06 pm UTC

[info]probabilistic
2007-04-14 06:58 pm UTC (link)
I'd guess that *something* happened - maybe she was drunk or high and doesn't remember exactly what happened, and didn't actually get raped at all. Maybe she went to the police, didn't want to admit that she didn't know what happened, made up something, and it snowballed from there.

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my 5cents
[info]smeeeko
2007-04-14 07:12 pm UTC (link)
I'm thinking something very WRONG happened.. even if it wasn't rape, it was something.. and yeah, they boys shouldn't have had a stripper at a college party, but they were obviously doing some drinking and whatnot and without better proof there was little to stand on with the case.

I don't know all the facts but if something didn't happen, if no kind of mistreatment happened to this woman & she falsely accused out of malicious spite (which I really doubt.. as I get the impression she really didn't know which guy did what) she did a major dis-service to women everywhere. Either way, because she was unable to prove her case, the next time something like that (hopefully NOT) happens, I think it will be even harder for the next woman.

The media over-exposed this lady and the players. I agree that a woman's good name be protected but if they do find that she filed false reports for whatever reason, maybe they should release her name. It'll be public record if that was the case anyway.

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Re: my 5cents - [info]twistedcat, 2007-04-14 07:26 pm UTC
Re: my 5cents - [info]quotidianlight, 2007-04-14 07:39 pm UTC
Re: my 5cents - [info]twistedcat, 2007-04-14 07:42 pm UTC
Re: my 5cents - [info]quotidianlight, 2007-04-14 07:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fireba11, 2007-04-14 08:35 pm UTC
Re: my 5cents - [info]belindashort, 2007-04-15 05:36 pm UTC
because i hate saying things and not backing it up - [info]twistedcat, 2007-04-14 08:34 pm UTC
Re: my 5cents - [info]smeeeko, 2007-04-14 07:47 pm UTC
Re: my 5cents - [info]belindashort, 2007-04-15 05:33 pm UTC

[info]fireba11
2007-04-14 07:16 pm UTC (link)
It smelled like bullshit in the beginning, throughout the case, and all the way to the end.

I can see no reason why she shouldn't be on trial for bringing false charges -- that's WHY there's laws against doing just that. Was she raped? Maybe - but not by those she accused. Did she lie? Well, there's pretty solid proof she did. Is she mentally ill? I say she's an adult by law and needs to be held accountable for her actions.

Nifong really needs his own ass handed to him. I won't get into what a suitable sanction would be, but he DEFINITELY has no business practicing any kind of law in this country.

The Duke Lacrosse players may or may not be upstanding citizens, but they're clearly not guilty of any wrong-doing in this case. The past year is something that each of them will never get back.

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[info]quotidianlight
2007-04-14 07:27 pm UTC (link)
I do believe she was drugged and raped by someone and that her fuzzy story is the result of date rape substances. When a person experiences trauma it is very common psycological trait to fill in memory blanks if they don't remember everything or are confused. This is actually one of the reasons why witnesses are so damned unreliable. As for DNA, if she was drugged she could have been raped with a broom handle or the perp (especially an educated one) could have used a condom. But you don't just get vaginal laserations and bruises in that area that easily. My problem is both how the case was handled and exactly how are law enforcment and the media going to handle the higher occurances of rapists using condoms and drugs!

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(no subject) - [info]unclebill35, 2007-04-14 08:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]quotidianlight, 2007-04-14 09:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]myskat, 2007-04-14 10:11 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]unclebill35, 2007-04-14 10:45 pm UTC
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[info]seamusd
2007-04-14 07:43 pm UTC (link)
I have no opinion about this, except that the media loves to make a big production out of "crimes" before due process.

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[info]sainteelyse
2007-04-14 07:48 pm UTC (link)
no i don't think she was raped and i don't know enough about her to say whether or not she is mentally ill. i think that it is amazing that the world jumped with both feet on all the guys and put her on this wonderfully high pedestal only to realize many months later that she was "misaken". i think that many men hire stippers for things and it's not for anyone else to judge them on their morals or lack there of. those who live in glass houses and whatnot. i'm glad it's finally over for everyone and perhaps now the guys can get on with their lives and i hope that the lies that were said and then perpetuated by the media do not follow and haunt them for infinity. i think that unfortunately someone saw an opportunity to perhaps take advantage of a group of guys who may have shown poor judgement in their choice of party entertainment. who is to say it's not a thing of making the most of a situation and perhaps there can be some sort of monitary windfall out of it. one could easily assume that the boys have money, or their families do, because they go to duke. i'm not sure there is any way to find out the 100% truth on any part of the situation and perhaps it would be best to let things go now that everything has been resolved as far as the legalities are concerned.

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[info]ms_cantrell
2007-04-14 08:00 pm UTC (link)
the guys showed really bad judgement, the girl either saw an opportunity to exploit, or reacted hysterically to a perceived threat, and that stupid Nifong bastard saw an opportunity to make a name for himself and sacrifice whatever shred of integrity or self respect he may ever have had.

i feel sorry for those guys; glad that their apparent innocence is being broadcast so much, to make up very slightly for their assumed guilt.

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(no subject) - [info]phanatic, 2007-04-14 09:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ms_cantrell, 2007-04-14 09:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ikilled007, 2007-04-14 09:15 pm UTC

[info]greeklady
2007-04-14 08:08 pm UTC (link)
Every lie has a foothold in truth. I knew strippers. More than half were prositutes on the side. The strippers I knew tend to exagerate. They were also strung out on a number of different drugs.

Did it actually happen? I can't say becuase I don't know the girl and wasn't there.

What the media did was make a three ring circus out of the whole mess. The prosecuting DA is going to get busted for being over zealous over this.

My theory is this and it can be completely wrong but.....

I think the girl engaged in prositution, they didn't pay her enough or she got greedy and wanted more after finding out they were rich boys. Thought she could sell her story to the media or to the boys as a blackmail, got it messed up and decided to turn it into a rape case.

OR

She was offered sex for sale, she refused but was strung out enough that a possible rape happened or she was talked into it and then decided later the money wasn't enough and would call it rape at the end.

Either way, girl on drugs bad situation all around. I know frat boys, and drunk frat boys + strippers = bad bad party.

But like I said, I wasn't there and was thankful I wasn't on a jury for this.

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(no subject) - [info]ikilled007, 2007-04-14 08:49 pm UTC
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[info]benson3
2007-04-14 08:33 pm UTC (link)
why are rape victims still put on any kind of trial media or otherwise. Just because she can't prove it happened doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Can any one say Kobe Bryant?

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(no subject) - [info]zaeron, 2007-04-14 08:53 pm UTC
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[info]itzwicks
2007-04-14 08:36 pm UTC (link)
That girl has issues. There was enough physical evidence to prove that the three players in question were NOT involved with any sexual assault. Do I believe she was raped? I may never know for sure, but you can bet that someone had taken advantage of her at some point. She should still be named (Crystal Magnum), if only as a warning to future guys who wish to pursue her romantically.

The next time someone reports a rape, society should either shield ALL names prior to a verdict being rendered in a court of law, or ALL names should be released without exception. The madness has got to end, and end today.

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[info]gerardkeating
2007-04-14 08:41 pm UTC (link)

She might belive she was raped, just because two people tell contradictory stories, does not mean one of them lies, one might ben genuinely mistaken.

Here in Ireland, the media are not allowed to name the accused or the victim in rapes cases, this prevents the "trial by media" that was seen in the Duke case.

Freedom of the Press is important, but as the old quote goes "...absolute power corrupts absolutely".

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(no subject) - [info]quotidianlight, 2007-04-14 09:20 pm UTC

[info]evilegg
2007-04-14 08:56 pm UTC (link)
Her stripper-ness served to discredited her in some people's eyes, while being black and of low social status made some people WANT to believe her. It's all just too fucked up, which why we're talking about it.

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(no subject) - [info]ikilled007, 2007-04-14 09:13 pm UTC

[info]myskat
2007-04-14 09:41 pm UTC (link)
I think there was some malice involved. I think she saw an opportunity and went for it. She has quite a history. Oh yeah, and I agree having a stripper was a bit stupid. Ditto on Nifong, I think he smelled a way to get votes and stuck his own foot in hiss ass.

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[info]blackwolfalpha1
2007-04-14 11:07 pm UTC (link)
I think that the case should have been dropped earlier when individuals involved with the case were changing their stories.

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[info]gomezticator
2007-04-15 12:29 am UTC (link)
I'm surprised they would go to such lengths to put them on trial and then suddenly say, "Oh wait, this never actually happened." Something does not add up. I know women lie, and I know guys get away with rape, but all I know with this dubious case is that somebody just told a lot of huge lies. Either they did it and boosters/parents/others paid off the judicial system to acquit these rich kids, or this stripper made up one hell of a story, stuck with it, and eventually she was figured out. I honestly cannot tell which way it went.

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(no subject) - [info]sedshe, 2007-04-15 03:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]myskat, 2007-04-15 03:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gomezticator, 2007-04-15 05:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sedshe, 2007-04-16 03:19 pm UTC
I would think that the fact
[info]dragonet2
2007-04-15 02:40 am UTC (link)
That they found biological (DNA) evidence of several other people NOT ANY OF the lacrosse players having sex with her on the rape test should pretty much have proven that they were not invovled in having sex with her. None of the names should have been released to the media until a judgement was determined.

It's all just smoke and mirrors to distract from more serious news. Like Iraq/

Just my 2¢.

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Re: I would think that the fact - [info]juxta_poser, 2007-04-15 06:07 pm UTC

[info]datavortex
2007-04-15 05:34 am UTC (link)
She made it up. She should be sued for everything she has and tossed into prison to be gang raped by women who have been raped for real.

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[info]juxta_poser
2007-04-15 05:21 pm UTC (link)
She's a stupid bitch.

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[info]jlindquist
2007-04-16 09:04 pm UTC (link)
I don't know what to believe. That disturbs me to no end. There appears to be malfeasance on all sides of this case, so who can I trust? The DA who violated ethics by withholding evidence? The defendants who showed themselves to be reprehensible people through their words before or afterwards? The victim (?) whose story changed? The defense attorney who released her name?

The system can't work if it can't be trusted. And by God, it needs to work.

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